Speaker 0: I've been teasing for a while that I made some major podcasting
workflow changes on The Audacity to Podcast and asked you to
guess. Now here's what I did.
Thank you for joining me for The Audacity to Podcast.
I'm Daniel J. Lewis.
I've been podcasting since 20 o 7, and I started The Audacity to
Podcast in 2010.
And I started the episodes doing them in a particular way, and
somewhere along the way, and I don't know exactly when this
changed, but I changed how I prepared for the episodes as well as
how that affected how I recorded the episodes, and that affected
how I then produced the episodes.
And more recently, I've made a major change back to an original
way I was doing it.
I've also made some other workflow changes that I wanted to share
with you because these could inspire your own podcasting workflow
changes and improvements.
And I have been teasing this for a little while asking you to
guess what it was.
And a few of my listeners did guess correctly what kind of
changes I've made since late 20 25.
And even though I'm recording this in 2026, I wanted to give
enough time to really see how I liked these changes, how they
were working for me, and if anyone noticed, especially if anyone
complained if they could tell what the changes were.
So let's start with number 1, chapters and transcripts.
But not just chapters and transcripts in general because I was
doing that before.
More specifically, chapters and transcripts with PodChapters.
Before PodChapters, which is my own product, please try it out on
your next episode over at podchapters.com.
Before PodChapters, I was spending 30 to 60 minutes across about
5 different tools, even on 2 different computers in order to do
what PodChapters now does for me in about 30 to 60 seconds.
It creates a transcript for me, or I could bring my own
transcript if I really wanted to as long as it's VTT or SRT, but
it generates the transcript for me, which does a lot better and
faster of a job than my other computer does, which my main
computer can't do transcripts very well.
It's very slow at transcripts.
So I'd have to go over to my other computer to have it do the
transcript for me and then bring that back to my main computer.
It was cumbersome. And so many apps to use.
I know 5 isn't a big number.
But for such a simple thing, going between 5 different apps, 30
to 60 minutes, and some of the apps were clunky, slow, just
didn't work very well, had massive frustrations for me.
So I started building PodChapters because I wanted to improve my
own podcasting workflow.
When I first started creating it, I wasn't planning to turn it
into a product.
But once I started making it work, I realized, wait a minute.
Other podcasters can actually benefit from this too.
And the podcasters who have signed up for PodChapters are loving
it.
And they're using it episode after episode, and it's saving them
so much time too. And it saves me so much time.
What used to take me 30 to 60 minutes now takes 30 to 60 seconds,
and that's not an exaggeration. It is so fast for me to use.
I'm loving it even just for myself, and other podcasters are
loving it too.
So I'd love for you to try PodChapters on your next episode.
There's a free trial, so that gives you enough time to try it on
your next episode.
You can bring your own transcript to save on the AI credits, or
you can have PodChapters transcribe your episode for you in the
proper format, and then it can generate the chapters for you.
And then that transcript that it provides, you can download that
or you can use the transcripts or the chapters hosted by
PodChapters.
And that's going to provide an ability to do some cool stuff in
the future. Some little tricks I have up my sleeve.
And 1 of the tricks I have up my sleeve that's been a significant
productivity and workflow boost to me with PodChapters is that
I've wanted something for years and have asked other developers
and apps to try and build in this feature.
No one's done it, so I finally did it myself.
And that is that when I record my episodes, I know my outline,
and I want my outline to be my chapters.
So I know what I want my chapters to be.
I just don't know where they should be in my audio.
So I wanted a tool that would allow me to paste my own outline
without time stamps, and it would find where that outline exists
in my episode and then turn that outline into chapters.
PodChapters now does that, and it does it so fast, so well.
I just go in sometimes and tweak by half a second or so just to
be more precise on things.
But from dropping my episode into PodChapters to downloading the
episode back again, and it's fully chaptered and transcribed and
ID 3 tagged and all of that is about 30 to 60 seconds of work.
I love it.
This has been a huge boost for me and for other podcasters too.
So I'd love for you to try it try it free, in fact, over at
podchapters.com. And number 2 is the bigger change.
The thing that I've been hinting at for months because I wanted
to see if anyone noticed what was different, and they could
actually guess exactly what I had changed.
And that is I went back to outlines instead of scripts.
I don't know exactly when I did this along the way of The
Audacity to Podcast, but I basically started scripting my
episodes.
I would write my show notes ahead of time as an article, and that
would help me to formulate my thoughts, figure out my
transitions, get all my links together, all of that stuff.
So it really helped with the preparation of the content.
And that way, when I press stop on my recording, I already had my
show notes done, and they were in article format.
And I felt like I presented the content very well because I
essentially rehearsed it by writing it down.
And since I speak the way I write generally, and generally write
the way I speak, they were very close to each other.
But that's also where a little bit of laziness and perfectionism
at the same time somehow snuck their way in.
And it started getting cumbersome to write the script ahead of
time.
And there were a lot of ideas that I had that I just didn't want
to write the script.
Or even just in recording the script, I would be talking along.
I would stumble over a way I say something, and because I had it
written down, I wanted to say it that particular way, so I'd have
to go back and say it again.
And that actually created more edit points than if I just spoke
off of the outlines.
And part of the reason that I kept doing this, even after being
on a very long hiatus from The Audacity to Podcast, is because,
getting personal here, my confidence took a really big kick from
multiple bad things that have happened in my life that I don't
need to go into here.
But it really made me doubt my ability to communicate.
I even remember when my unwanted and unfortunate divorce started.
That first podcast movement, I was basically a walking zombie
walking around.
I still kind of wanted to go and especially because I wanted to
shine the light on my friend, Dave Jackson, because I got to
introduce him as he was being inducted into the Podcast Hall of
Fame.
So I was really excited to do that and support my friend that
way. And the rest of the time, I was like a zombie.
I couldn't talk very well.
I stumbled over basic concepts, and I was, like, broken.
And that carried over for a while.
And even when the emotions rebuilt, still the confidence was gone
and the ability to communicate as smoothly.
And I'm not saying this to say I'm like some master communicator
or anything like that, but the confidence was gone.
The feeling of I know what I want to say and how I want to say it
was gone.
And so I started relying on the script to help me as I was
getting back into podcasting.
And it was then easy that I could have the script in front of me,
look into a teleprompter, and read that script pretty much
verbatim.
I would occasionally go off script, but since I write generally
the way I speak, and generally speak the way I write, it didn't
sound too much like it was scripted, but it did still sound
somewhat like it.
And so I wish I actually wrote down what episode I changed.
I think it was around episode 410 of The Audacity to Podcast
where I decided I'm gonna go back to outlines instead of a
script.
Because for 1 thing, I was starting to feel more confident, and I
was starting to feel like the script was confining me somewhat.
And I felt like I had the energy again to kind of ad lib, but not
completely ad lib.
It's still prepared, but to be more off the cuff, more dynamic,
more engaging at a human level, like I'm having a conversation
with you.
And I felt like the script was starting to limit that, and I
wanted to get back into that because that's how I was when I
started The Audacity to Podcast.
Not how I was when I started the the ramen noodle, my first
podcast.
That was totally scripted, And the first 9 episodes in 2 years
took so long to do because I was scripting them to perfection.
But that aside, switching back to outlines, I could feel the
energy was different.
And that's what I heard from several of my listeners.
A couple of them did guess that I was maybe not using a script
anymore.
But what all of them who guessed said is your energy sounds
different. You sound more passionate, more energetic.
Like, there's more of something of you behind the episodes.
And that's true because it is me.
Now I am still using a teleprompter, like I promoted
teleprompters in my episode about teleprompters a few episodes
ago.
But now all that's on the teleprompter in front of me is my
outline.
Maybe a couple of reminders here and there of some certain things
I want to remember, like an episode number or URL or a particular
point I want to make or maybe a quotation I do want to read.
But I'm looking at just my outline as I'm actually looking
directly into the camera and I see my outline.
And I like being back to outlines instead of scripts because it
reminds me so much of the passion for public speaking, which was
something else I missed during those several years of a hiatus.
I enjoy public speaking.
I've enjoyed it since I was a teenager when I started public
speaking even though I was super nervous back then.
I still get nervous when I publicly speak, but it's something I
really enjoy.
And this feels like I'm back into that passion again, and I have
more energy.
And what's really been interesting to me to discover is my
editor, John Buchanis, has said that he doesn't have to edit me
as much when I'm now talking from an outline instead of from a
script.
And I know for 1 reason, that's because I don't have the verbatim
thing in front of me, so I don't have to worry about reading it
perfectly or getting my timing just right for how the sentences
connect together.
Also, I'm speaking kind of off the cuff or ad libbing or working
from an outline, really, If I start going the wrong direction in
a sentence, instead of having to stop, figure out what I wanted
to say, and start over again with a different sentence, sometimes
I just roll with it and go with a different direction of a
sentence like that. So I really like this.
And if you've been doing your podcast episodes from scripts,
maybe you've been doing it long enough that maybe you're ready to
cut that umbilical cord, and you could start podcasting,
recording your episodes without a script.
That doesn't mean you don't have notes.
That doesn't mean you don't plan what you want to talk about.
But give it a try if you haven't yet.
Maybe it will boost your confidence to try it and see, wow.
This actually is fun. I feel totally different.
And I feel totally different as well when I'm talking from a
script instead of from the outline.
And right there, I'll give a little side note.
Right there is where I just did 1 of those things where I meant
to say, I feel a lot different talking from an outline, but I
used the word script first. So I just ran with it.
And I then switched how I was going to say that, and I said the
script, and I fixed it by then continuing on with the sentence.
And that kind of thing is how we communicate in real life.
And I feel like, even though I don't see you, I feel like I'm
communicating at a more personable level with you. Do you agree?
Do you feel like the episodes sound or feel different?
Do you feel maybe more connected to me based simply on the way
I've been communicating differently in the last several episodes?
I'd love to hear from you.
Send me feedback at podcast feedback dot com slash audacity or
reach out on pretty much any social network as the Daniel J.
Lewis.
1 of the other reasons that I made this change is for my personal
schedule wise because I have John Buchanan editing my episodes
for me.
That has been 1 of the best investments for me in podcasting is
having someone else do that because I do not enjoy editing my own
episodes.
That's why my first podcast only had 9 episodes in the first 2
years of its existence.
When I have to write the script before I can press record, that
means it takes me longer to press record, which means then it
takes me longer to get that episode to John to edit.
So if I can get the episode to him quicker, he can edit it at a
more convenient time.
And I'm still working on my personal schedule to try and give
more margin for things and do things at a consistent time each
week.
But now that I can talk from an outline instead of having to
write the whole script ahead of time, it means I can jump into
the episode quicker.
But then what about the article that goes along with it or as
many of us would call it, the show notes? Well, that's number 3.
My episode articles, and I've always tried to take the approach
of writing them like an article or maybe kind of like a blog post
because there are a lot of personal pronouns in there, the me,
the my, I, and stuff like that.
I've started using AI for this a lot more.
Now, please hear me out.
I am still not a fan of using AI to create the content for you.
You create your own content, but you can use AI on your
creativity to repurpose, to reformat, to restructure, to do
things with that. Pod chapters, that's what it does.
It takes your transcript of you and your cohost speaking, and it
does cool stuff with that, turning your spoken content through
your transcript into chapters. That's AI doing that.
So it's not making AI slop.
It's making stuff from your original thought and creativity.
And that's what I think AI should be used for, not to create
things for us, which are really artificial things then, but to do
stuff with our own creativity, what we put our own brain cells
into making.
So I've started using AI to turn my transcript and my outline
into the articles and blog posts, but not just simply giving it
my transcript and saying, turn this into an article.
I do more beyond that, and part of this has been built with
OpenClaw and continues to be managed by OpenClaw or maybe at some
point I might switch to Hermes agent.
And by the way, I'm still looking for your ideas of how you use
any kind of agent like that, Open Claw, Hermes, Paperclip,
anything like that where you can run software locally to do
things on your computer using an AI agent.
I'm going to do an episode about different ways you can use that
in podcasting in the future.
So if you want that episode to come out, send me your ideas or
even just your thoughts, suggestions, questions that I can cover
in that episode. Go to podcastfeedback.com/audacity for that.
So because of what I've been doing it with Open Claw, I've
discovered new ways that I could make this better.
And the first thing was that I took the transcripts from all of
my latest episodes.
In fact, all of the episodes that have transcripts with them,
which at this point is, I think, maybe more than 50 episodes,
which all of those transcripts combined together would make a
document which would be way too big to feed into any AI engine
out there, an LLM, a large language model.
It's not that large of a language model to hold that much content
in it.
So if you hear people talking about, yeah, just put all of your
transcripts into an AI and have it do something with that.
Well, it's going to miss some of that content because these
things have certain input limits.
Instead, what I had it do, and using OpenCLUD to do this, is I
had it systematically go through every episode's transcript and
analyze how I talk.
Recognizing that, yes, many of those older transcripts are me
basically reading a script, but still the script was written the
way I write, which is very close to the way I talk.
So it went through episode after episode, 1 at a time, analyzing
how I talk, certain figures of speech I tend to use, certain
phrases I repeat over and over, my patterns, certain things like
that, just the way that I communicate as well, my tone, my
language, my intelligence level to say for how I communicate.
Am I communicating at a collegiate level or at a third grade
level or anything like that?
So it analyzes all of that episode after episode, and it starts
building out a voice document or a tone of voice document that
describes how I communicate.
And I have currently open Claude, but maybe in the future Hermes
agent or maybe something else.
We'll see because I might switch things around.
But I have it every time I publish an episode.
It goes, looks at the transcript, and updates that tone of voice
document with any new patterns that it recognizes.
And by now, most of the time, it doesn't see anything that's all
that different.
It's adding just an occasional note here or there to recognize a
certain phrase that I repeat sometimes or maybe a new pattern
that it hasn't detected before.
But it's not making a whole lot more.
But the point is now I've got this tone of voice document that I
take that document, I combine it with my transcript and with my
outline, and I ask the AI then to use all of this stuff together
to turn my transcript into an article, put in my voice, in my
tone of voice, from my first person perspective, and the results
are really good.
They're very, very close to what I would have written myself.
I don't know these days how effective the systems are that try to
detect what is AI or what is not.
If you dare look at my content and say, oh, you have an em dash.
You're using AI because there's an em dash. Hey.
I've been using em dashes since the nineties.
I still remember the code back when I was on a Windows computer.
Hold down alt, and on the number pad, type the number 0 1 5 1.
That's an em dash. I've been doing that since the nineties.
I used em dashes before they were uncool.
I guess maybe they were never cool.
So I know how to use an em dash.
So just because you see an em dash in any of my content does not
mean that it was written with an AI.
But now the way that this is working for me is great because as a
single dad, homeschooling my son, and running my own business, my
time is very valuable.
And I really don't wanna spend it on stuff like rewriting my
content into an article format.
That's the kind of thing that AI is great at doing because it is
my content, not the AI's content. It's not AI slop.
It's my slop, but I wouldn't even call it slop.
It's my content that the AI then is restructuring, and not just
restructuring on its own.
It's restructuring with the guidance of my tone of voice, how I
speak in addition to giving it the actual outline that I use so
it knows not to make a whole bunch of subpoints that didn't exist
or give me a whole new outline, but it recognizes my outline just
like PodChapters does.
And it then uses my tone of voice in the writing and uses my
content. It is simply reformatting my content into an article.
And I think it does a much better job than these systems that
automatically take your transcript and turn them into articles or
blog posts because those things are missing the tone of voice.
They're missing some of these other things that I've learned how
to do with the AI.
And my tool for that, by the way, that I'm using, it's not
something I've made for myself yet.
I've thought about maybe making something like this, but then
again, there are so many other tools that try to do something
like this that, again, it would be an education issue for another
product to try and explain to people why my tool does things
radically different than others and why they should use my tool
instead. So what I'm using is Magai. It's my favorite AI toolbox.
I am a paying customer of Magai. I'm also an affiliate.
So if you visit the audacitytopodcast.com/magai, that's Magai,
that is my affiliate link.
I do earn a commission if you sign up through there.
And I do highly recommend Magai because it is a super toolbox of
AI tools. You've got GPT in there. You've got Opus.
You've got Gemini. You've got DeepSeek. You've got MiniMax.
You've got Kimi.
You've got all of these language models as well as image and
video models.
So these are the 3 major changes I made to my podcasting
workflow, and it just feels so much better to me.
Number 1, I'm using PodChapters for chapters and transcripts.
Number 2, I'm back to speaking from the outlines instead of using
scripts.
And number 3, I'm making the episode articles with my outlines
and a specially trained AI.
If you would like to check out these links, like to PodChapters
or to Magai, then please visit the notes, a simple tap or swipe
away, or click the link from the chapters.
And now that I've given you some of the guts and taught you some
of the tools, it's time for you to go start and grow and maybe
even consider changing your podcasting workflow for your own
podcast for passion and profit. I'm Daniel J.
Lewis from theaudacitytopodcast.com.
Send me your feedback or podcasting questions at podcast feedback
dot com slash audacity. And thanks for listening.