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<v Speaker 0>Avoid these 5 common mistakes that new podcasters make.

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Thank you for joining me for The Audacity to Podcast.

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I'm Daniel J. Lewis.

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No matter where you are in your podcasting journey, it's possible

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to make 1 of these podcasting mistakes, whether launching or even

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recording your next episode.

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Even if you've been podcasting for 10, 15, 20 years, you could

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still fall into making 1 or multiple of these mistakes.

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Especially if you're looking to start your first podcast, start

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it outright and avoid these mistakes before you start.

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Here we go. Number 1, striving for perfect.

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This plays out in a few ways.

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First, we often think about perfection and the curse of

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perfection.

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We try to have the perfect sounding audio, the perfect podcast,

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the perfect presentation.

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We try to edit ourselves to absolute perfection, editing out any

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kind of or or a pause that's even a microsecond too long.

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And sometimes we strive so hard for perfection that it ends up

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sounding artificial because it is.

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You might not actually sound that way when you're speaking.

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I'm not saying leave in every single mistake because that's the

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authentic you as some people might put it.

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Still try to edit out the mistakes, try to present something that

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sounds great, but it doesn't have to be absolutely perfect.

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We also strive for perfect in some of the options that we're

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considering for things.

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The perfect microphone, the perfect camera, the perfect lighting,

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the perfect backdrop, the perfect website theme, the perfect

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podcast hosting provider, the perfect this or that podcasting

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tool.

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I fell into this even just recently as I finally, after nearly 15

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years, upgraded the camera that I've been using for recording my

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podcast, which I'm still not doing anything with the videos that

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I've been recording lately, but I will someday soon.

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Thanks to this new camera that I feel a lot more confident with

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this new camera and some of the things that can do for me better

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than the old camera could.

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I've been using a Canon T4i digital SLR camera for 15 years.

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And that works great for recording videos and for taking

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pictures.

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It doesn't work great for streaming video or connecting that

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video in any way to my computer.

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Believe me, I have tried everything.

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I even installed Magic Lantern and got just the perfect version

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to be able to do a clean HDMI out and got an HDMI capture device

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for my computer and tried to connect these things together.

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And it looked pretty good, but still had some major problems to

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it. And I realized I need to upgrade.

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And 1 of the cameras that I've been looking at, the Sony ZV E10

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Mark 2 went on sale.

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And it was a 1 day sale, and it hasn't been that sale price in

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more than a year. And it's the best price it's ever been.

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It's never been lower than this price.

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And it was this price only 1 other time that I could see in its

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entire history of being released.

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So I knew this was a good price. I needed to snag that deal.

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And I did.

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But even with the camera literally in my hand, I was still second

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guessing my choice because I was thinking, is this really the

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perfect camera?

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Now I know I can't afford the best camera out there that's

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multiple thousands of dollars, but there was another camera that

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is really good, especially for its price.

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The Sony a 6,700 does a lot more than my ZV E10 Mark II can do,

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and it does certain things better.

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And it has things like in body image stabilization. Oh.

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And it has other things to it that are also nicer than the camera

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that I ended up getting.

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And that to me was a different level of perfect.

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And even though I'd already purchased the camera and already got

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a good deal, I was still thinking and even still watching videos

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comparing the camera I got with the other camera I wanted.

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And here's what it came down to for me.

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And you can try and apply similar thinking if you're facing a

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similar situation where you're torn between trying to get

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something that's quote perfect, unquote.

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I looked at the ZV E10 Mark II and what I paid for it.

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And I looked at the a 6,700 and what it's currently selling for.

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It would cost 60% more to get the 6,700.

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Would I get 60% more benefit from it? No.

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In fact, some of the features that it has that the camera I got

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don't have like the in body image stabilization, I might not

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never actually need.

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Because in the years that I've had my DSLR, it's been very rare

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that I've taken it off the tripod.

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Even when I've taken it to conventions like CES, NAB Show,

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Podcast Movement, such, and recorded on-site video interviews

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there, even then, the camera was on a tripod, so it didn't need

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image stabilization of any sort.

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So the camera that I got doesn't have any kind of in body image

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stabilization, but it does take very good videos, especially

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beautiful videos with a lens that I happen to get for a great

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deal on a beautiful lens.

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I thought there was something wrong with the lens based on how

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low of a price they were asking for, but I got a fantastic deal

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on it. I thoroughly checked it out, and it's it's great.

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It's beautiful.

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At some point, follow me over on YouTube, the audacity to

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podcast.com/youtube, as I will at some point get back to making

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some videos here and there.

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And this camera was 1 of those things that I needed to help me

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with that because there's a very simple thing that the camera can

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do that I really wanted to be able to do some videos again.

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Cause I didn't want to have a separate video studio like I've had

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in the past.

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I just want to have my 1 place where I sit down and record audio

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and video, have a great camera for that and be able to show

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products very easily by just holding up a product to the camera

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and having autofocus really well. This camera does that.

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This camera also does 4 k and some of the really nice stuff too.

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It's a great camera. It's not perfect, but it is very good.

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And I can't afford the 1 I really, really wanted.

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And I was very tempted to think, well, as long as I'm spending

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this much, maybe I should just go ahead and spend 60% more and

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get this other camera.

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But I had to remind myself, I actually didn't plan to spend money

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at all on a camera yet. But I saw this great deal.

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I knew that if it went on sale, I wanted to get it.

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I knew it was a good sale. So I took action.

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You might feel this way about your microphone.

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I saw this in a podcasting subreddit group where someone was

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asking, should I get the Samsung q 2 u for $70 or should I get I

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think they were saying the Shure MV 7 or maybe the MV 7 x for

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more than twice the price.

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And you have to first think how much money you even have to

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spend.

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If you only have $70, well, that should make the decision very

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easy. Get what you can get for $70.

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It doesn't have to be perfect.

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It doesn't have to be a 300 or 400 or $500 microphone.

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Your audience might not even know the difference, especially if

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they never hear you use both microphones in the same episode.

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Even if you switch microphones between episodes, they might not

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even notice the difference.

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Now if you're going from super cheap microphone to something

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better like a q 2 u or an ATR 2,100 x USB, if you can even get 1

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of those since they've been ironically and and really weirdly

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discontinued as great as of a microphone that is, but your

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audience might not know the difference.

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We could strive for perfect in the perfect podcast hosting

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provider, the perfect website theme, the perfect this or that

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podcasting tool. It doesn't have to be perfect.

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Even if you have the perfect tools, if that was even possible,

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that doesn't mean your podcast episodes are going to be perfect

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because you are not perfect. You never will be perfect.

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Strive for excellence.

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Don't strive for perfection because we'll never reach perfection

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in this life.

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And even when it comes to certain tools, there is not a perfect

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tool.

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And I know we can be so tempted by trying to find the perfect

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tool.

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That can come into play with AI tools, like which model is the

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best? Is it Opus? Is it Sona? Is it GPT? Is it Gemini?

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That stuff is going to go back and forth for years to come.

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And it's about what works best for your needs.

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And when I see people ask, what's the best podcast hosting

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provider? I try to find out what are their actual needs.

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And there are a few I recommend.

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There is not 1 single podcast hosting provider I recommend to

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everyone because I recognize that people's needs are different.

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So if you need this, then this provider is best.

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If you need that, then that provider is best.

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But maybe you don't need those certain features.

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So don't strive for the perfect choice, the perfect podcasting

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tool, or even perfection in what you're doing to try to edit it

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to absolute perfection because that might not even sound good if

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you manage to try and get it there.

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Even stuff like noise removal.

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I remember many years ago, I think my first time at CES, the

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Consumer Electronics Show, something was messed up about the way

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that the camera or the microphone were working with each other,

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and the audio was recorded with a lot of noise in it.

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I could run that audio through noise processing tools that were

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available back then.

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This was 10 years ago, more than 10 years ago.

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So the tools weren't as good back then, but they were still

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pretty good.

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I could run it through those tools and completely eliminate the

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background noise. Perfect. Right? Wrong.

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It eliminated so much noise that it even affected how well you

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could hear the speaking.

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The part that was most important for people to hear removing the

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noise completely and dare I say perfectly then messed up other

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aspects of it. So don't strive for perfect.

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I spent the most time on this point because I think this is the

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thing that can affect all of us the most is that at any point,

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just like I was facing this with a camera, and I've been

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podcasting for almost 20 years, and I was still falling into a

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trap of trying to strive for the perfect camera, even the perfect

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camera that I can afford or the perfect lens I can afford.

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Don't strive for perfect. Strive for excellence, not perfection.

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Number 2 mistake that new podcasters make or podcasters might

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make this at any point in their podcasting journey, doing too

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much.

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When I started my TV show fan podcast about the TV show Once Upon

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a Time, I started trying to do too much.

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I had these big grandiose plans.

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I want to interview every cast member of the show.

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I want us to be podcasting every week even during the hiatus.

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I want to do this and that and do live video and do all of these

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things. And you might think that too.

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And right now, there is this obsession with video where everyone

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is saying, oh, video podcasting is making a huge comeback.

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The definition of that aside, there is all of this pressure, and

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maybe you even feel it yourself to video, video, video, video,

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video, video, video. You have to be doing video.

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You have to be on YouTube.

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You have to be doing all of this video with this high production

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value, multiple cameras, and this perfect looking set and all of

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this stuff. No. You don't have to do all of that.

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You don't have to do everything people say they think you should

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do. Don't try to do too much.

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Even if simply live streaming is too much for you, don't try and

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do it.

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At some point, yes, you can add that and learn how to do that and

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mix that in with what you're already doing as you grow.

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But don't try to do too much when you're starting out.

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Or maybe you're feeling overwhelmed already with how long you've

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been podcasting and all of the new things that everyone is

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saying, you need to be doing this.

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And you might feel like, that's just too much for me to do.

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Then don't do it.

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I give you permission to not do that thing that is too much for

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you to do.

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Right now for me, yes, even though I've got a brand new camera

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that looks great, and I recommend that you follow me over on

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YouTube for when I do publish some videos over there, the

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audacity to podcast.com/youtube.

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Right now, even though I am recording and I have been for the

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last few months recording videos of each of these audio episodes,

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and I'm looking into a camera when I record the videos and I have

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my notes in front of me, even though I've been doing that and my

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lights are on and everything, the videos look great.

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I've not done anything with those videos yet.

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I did some little experimenting last year, but haven't really

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done much with the video since then.

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Because to me, right now, it just feels like too much.

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While I'm a full time dad, single, homeschooling my son, and

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running a business, then trying to edit video on top of that, I

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can't afford to pay someone else to edit the video for me, and I

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really can't afford the time and energy to edit the videos

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myself.

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So I've just been recording the videos and not doing anything

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with them yet because it would just be too much for me at this

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point.

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Now with a brand new camera and what this new camera will enable

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me to do, maybe that will allow me to do some more video stuff

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separate from the audio podcast in the future.

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But please don't fall into this trap of trying to do too much

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with your podcast. Simplify things.

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Maybe even for your individual episodes, you might be trying to

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squeeze too much into that episode.

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For this episode, I want to have an interview.

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I want to have a monologue.

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I want to have a dialogue with my audience.

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I want to answer q and a.

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I want to do this and that and this and that and that and this

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and all of this stuff that you're loading into your episode, and

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it could be just way too much.

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Split that stuff out if you want to.

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Maybe you do a monologue in a separate episode.

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Even though it's the same subject as your interview was about,

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maybe you separate those 2 things, and that can have its own

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strengths to it.

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Don't try to do too much with your podcast, whether you're

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starting out and trying to plan what you do or you're planning

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your next episode for a podcast you've been doing for years.

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Don't try to do too much. Number 3, starting without a plan.

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Whether you're starting your first podcast or even your next

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episode, have a plan of some sort.

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Unless you are extremely experienced in the art of communication

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and public speaking and presenting an idea and teaching, don't

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just sit down to the microphone and try to wing it.

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The best content will always have a plan behind it in some sort.

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Many people have quoted this and I don't know where it originally

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came from, but failing to plan is planning to fail.

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That really does apply.

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Now that doesn't mean that if you don't have a plan, your podcast

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is going to be an utter failure, but I don't think it's going to

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be as successful as it could be without a plan.

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What does that plan look like?

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Well, it depends on what the context is for your plan.

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I do recommend that you have a general idea of where you want to

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go both for your podcast as a whole, like whom you want to serve,

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what kind of content you want to put out there, what you want to

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be known for, but also for your individual episodes.

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What is the takeaway that you want your audience to get from

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this?

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Even if your podcast is focused on entertaining your audience,

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well, that's part of your plan.

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How are you going to go about entertaining them?

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How are you going to get them to laugh?

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What stories are you going to share or jokes are you going to

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tell or interesting things are you going to pull out to entertain

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your audience? Have a plan.

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Even if you don't completely follow that plan or you ad lib along

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the way, that's fine to do, but start with a plan.

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I've changed something about how I do episodes of The Audacity to

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Podcast for the last 6 or 7 episodes or so.

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And a couple of people have picked up on something I've changed,

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and they are correct in their suspicions.

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And I'm curious if you've picked it up too.

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Reach out to me, any of my channels on x or anywhere I am as the

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Daniel J.

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Lewis, or even just email feedback at The Audacity to Podcast dot

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com.

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Let me know if you can tell what I've been doing differently.

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But every episode I've done for years always has some level of a

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plan.

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Even though I know I could, at this point, I feel very

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comfortable just sitting down and talking about any aspect of

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podcasting, and I can do that for hours.

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And I have done that for hours, but it's always been with a plan.

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And even if I want to record an episode and I have only a few

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minutes, I'll spend those few minutes to make a good plan for

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what I want the episode to cover.

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Even a a simple basic outline, that could be your plan.

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Number 4, obsessing over the quote launch unquote.

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This is the other side of the plan where you might go too far and

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you're starting to think, oh, I want launch day to be this.

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I have to have this many episodes, and they have to have this

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specific thing.

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I need to make this really big splash when I launch my podcast.

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It is fun to have a big launch, to have that whole thing to say,

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we're now available.

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Everyone go listen today because today is the day you can listen

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to it or build up that hype, that momentum, put out that trailer,

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that teaser, whatever it is.

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Build up the engagement ahead of time, the anticipation for your

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episode. That is fantastic to do.

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Don't obsess over that, but also realize that the size and impact

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of your launch doesn't actually have a direct correlation with

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your long term success. Here's a very good metaphor for this.

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A wedding.

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The size and fanciness of the wedding is in no way guaranteeing

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the success of the marriage. This is pure conjecture on my part.

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I even sometimes wonder if the bigger and more grandiose the

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wedding, the more problems they have later on in the marriage.

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Not because of the size of the wedding, but because of maybe it's

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reflecting something about their personalities or their

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priorities and such that they're more interested in the big show

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than actually making the relationship work.

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That little tidbit and conjecture aside, and I have no scientific

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backing to that. That's hypothesis at this point.

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But with your podcast, I have seen this happen too many times for

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me to count, where someone has made a big deal about their

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launch. And where are they today? They're not podcasting anymore.

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They fizzled out.

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And it's not because of their size of their launch that they

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fizzled out, but certainly how much effort they put into their

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launch didn't keep them going years later.

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So don't obsess over the launch. Yes.

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It's fun to make a big splash and to get all of that energy and

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momentum from day 1 and have people anticipating your episode,

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but don't obsess over it.

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I don't see this so much now as I used to.

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But in the past, there was certainly the obsession over trying to

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get into, back then called iTunes, new and noteworthy.

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Dave Jackson just threw up a little bit in his mouth when I said

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that.

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People don't obsess over that so much anymore because I think the

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truth of new and noteworthy and how that works has spread more

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and also people realize that new and noteworthy isn't in as many

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places as it used to be anymore.

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It is still cool to get in there, but it's not something you can

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follow a strategy to get in there other than try and make an

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amazing podcast with great marketing behind it.

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And some of us can't afford that. That's fine.

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But the size of your launch isn't going to affect the success of

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your podcast. So don't obsess over the launch.

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And number 5, not launching at all.

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Or we could even say fizzling out after you've launched.

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It is a statistic at this point.

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You can go over to podcastindustryinsights.com and look at the

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statistics, especially from Apple, of how many podcasts have

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launched with 1 episode and have done nothing since then.

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It is staggering.

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Most of them came from Anchor or now called Spotify for creators.

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I think there is a certain demographic that that attracts that

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it's a lot of people just testing, just playing with things and

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not really intending to have launched a podcast into all of the

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podcast apps and directories out there.

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But still, I really do think that the biggest hurdle for

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podcasters to face is episode 1, both getting there and also

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getting past episode 1.

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And you can see it in the data that so many podcasters struggle

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to get past that first episode.

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They might obsess over the launch and either they never launch or

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they launch and do nothing after that.

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So don't make this mistake.

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Don't leave your message only in your mind and never getting it

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out there. Get your message out there.

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Make the impact that you want to make for good.

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Don't obsess over trying to make a perfect launch, but also don't

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obsess over a perfect launch, but also don't forget to actually

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launch. Put it out there. Get the message out.

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You can improve things as you go.

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Even if you want to just start on a free podcast hosting

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provider, like Buzzsprout has a pretty good free plan with them.

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The audacitytopodcast.com/buzzsprout is my affiliate program.

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I only recommend things I truly believe in.

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But you can sign up for a free hosting plan over there and launch

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with a couple of episodes, play with things just to see.

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And episodes over there will expire over time, and you can only

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have so many episodes on the free plan.

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But that can give you a chance to just experiment.

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See if you can survive past episode 1, and you can improve as you

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go. Or you could even decide that was a good practice.

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I'm gonna scrap it all, start over much better, and then keep

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going from there. Yeah. You can do that too.

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It's not like you're married to your podcast.

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So don't make these 5 mistakes that I see new podcasters make all

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the time. Number 1, striving for perfect.

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Number 2, doing too much. Number 3, starting without a plan.

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Number 4, obsessing over the launch.

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And number 5, not launching at all.

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I would love to help you build a deeper relationship with your

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audience because I think for many of us podcasters, it's not

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really the size of our audience that matters the most to it.

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It is the change we're making and the connections we're making

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with the audience.

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And that's why I made Podgagement over at podgagement.com to help

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you deepen the relationship with your audience, to engage with

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your audience through ratings and reviews, through feedback,

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through voice mails from your audience, to engage more with other

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podcasters in your space, like through the networking feature, to

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track how you're doing in the charts, tracking your podcast

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across nearly 34,000 charts, to engage with great images that you

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can share on social networks and share the feedback that you

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receive with the rest of your audience outside of the podcast and

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share the reviews that you're receiving, showing off the change

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that your podcast is making in people's lives.

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And so much more that you can do with Podgagement to supercharge

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the engagement you have with your audience.

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Go to podgagement.com to sign up for a free trial to help you

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deepen that relationship with your audience so that you can grow

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your podcast. That's at podgagement.com.

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And now that I've given you some of the guts and taught you some

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of the tools, it's time for you to go start and grow your own

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podcast for passion and profit. I'm Daniel J.

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Lewis from theaudacitytopodcast.com.

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Reach out to me on x at the Daniel J.

00:23:03.079 --> 00:23:05.559
Lewis and pretty much everywhere else too as the Daniel J.

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Lewis, and thanks for listening.
